Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. Mag. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. The main problem with such potent cartridges is that they kick hard in rifles light enough to carry all day in steep places. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. I have one, and I like it a lot. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. .50 BMG. 1 Item (s) Show per page. from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. Mag. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Norma Projektilfabrik answered Winchesters designs with a pair of their own: the .308 Norma Magnum and its slightly older brother, the .358 Norma Magnum. Mag. This is comparable killing power to the long .375 H&H Magnum with a 300 grain bullet (ME 4331 ft. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. Whelen would not. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. In both cartridges, versatility is limited more by the narrow range of bullets available than by any other factor. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). The 35 whelen and 358 winchester were the two I was torn between. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. I see no reason to shy away from it. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. In Johanssons case, disdain for serious training left him vulnerable when the superbly conditioned Patterson came back a year later, gave him a dazzling boxing lesson and reclaimed the title. Not only that, many different bullet moulds were made for casting .358 bullets in some of the most fanciful shapes. You know the kind with the locking bolt. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Rifle Recoil Table. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. was simply a .308 Win. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. First, it will do everything the .338 will, and a bit more. Sierras 225-grain spitzer boat-tail, designed for the .35 Whelen, is a stellar performer in the .358 Norma. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. The better ones create mild gallery or small-game loads that are economical, quiet, virtually without recoil and best of all a lot of fun to shoot. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. Then come the .270s. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. I had the privilege of spending some time with a 1917 vintage take-down Rigby-Mauser rifle while on a hunt in Scotland, and the words sweet shooting came quickly to mind. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. Looks like I'll do a Whelen. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. I have long been something of a .35 caliber fan, but I have to admit that I believe the reason for the general lack of public acceptance of all but the least powerful .35's is, in a word, recoil. can drive the same weight bullet a bit faster. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. Mag. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. Since then, I have often recommended medium bores, such as Elmer Keiths favorite .33s, and Ive used the 8mm Remington Magnum a lot. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Oklahoma. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. Id mate it with a good 180-grain bullet, top it with a one-inch-tube scope (to save weight), and go elk hunting. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. He, too, could have been one of the greats. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. The .358 Win. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. exlcusive user. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Out of stock View Details . 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. The numerous magnum .30s are also excellent, but they deliver more recoil. [1] There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. But they are not essential, and despite their effectiveness, all magnums from .30 caliber upwards generate more recoil than many folks are comfortable withand are able to shoot well. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. However, the majority of American deer hunters dont live in elk country, but many dream of going elk hunting. Then come the .30s, and now were talking business. This is because it was discontinued in the mid-1970s, and reintroduced by Remington in 2003. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. You can start with the 6.5mms. There are several reasons. The writings of Robert Ruark certainly helped the reputation of the cartridge and the company, as Ruark put his young PH Harry Selby and the .416 Rigby rifle he carried on a pedestal. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. The .300 Rem. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Where does the .358 Norma sit, in comparison to the more popular cartridges in its class? The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. Its safe to say that of all the .358 Norma Magnum rifles in existence, there are more custom than factory ones, and this makes it tricky to load for in another way. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). of muzzle energy. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. Follow along to see exactly how. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. in the Big Bore Model 94. Thats a question I just dont understand. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. I was used to the 30-06 parent cases (.270, 25-06, etc) so that is what I decided on. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. The .35 Rem. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. with a similar 180-grain bullet. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public.
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