In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most serial killers/mass murderers had excessive discipline rather than lenient upbringings. Bedwetting, firesetting and cruelty to animals. As a literature teacher, symbolism is not lost on me. As a reporter scribbled, Hooker reconsidered. They are rare. The couple took issue with people who say they forgive them for what happened. On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold stormed into Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado and murdered 13 people before killing themselves. It's far more complicated than a matter of discipline. WTF?!? It is very difficult to assign causality in cases like this. I'm not saying that there's no guilt, no responsibility, because no matter how our brains are wired, we're all creatures of free will and able to make moral choices, but to lay everything at the feet of society, or the parents, or the school, is way, way too simple. Sue and her husband were vehemently opposed, but Dylan still asked for a gun for Christmas his final year. Its hard to tell. When the clerk told him "Hey, your clips are in." Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were charged with theft, criminal mischief, and criminal trespassing for breaking into a van and . On August 30, 2006 Columbine obsessed 18 year old Alvaro Castillo would murder his father with a sawed off Mossberg 500 shotgun at their home and then drive to a local high school and open fire. It was obvious that the attack had been in the works for a long time, and the plan carefully thought out. Dylan (Klebold) did not do this because of the way he was raised, Susan Klebold told columnist David Brooks in Saturdays editions of The New York Times. I think he was broken over the loss of his son, and wants to remember the boy Dylan was and not the murder he became? Not only would that give us someone to blame (someone still living, unlike Eric and Dylan, who turned their guns on themselves), but it would also allow the psychic distance between x93usx94 and x93themx94 that frightened humans crave. Good-bye. At the beginning, when he writes about the good things in his life, he mentions his parents. It would be satisfying to blame the parents. I was just worried Dylan was unhappy (p. 227). Was Tom there for him when he needed him? . They then killed themselves in the school library. Klebold's parents, Thomas and Susan, lived in a sprawling, secluded house on a dirt road. They believe what they want to believe. I read a lot of opinions on Eric and his dad Wayne. Friend of Columbine Killers Still Seeking Answers I was in high school at the time. The people who run gifted programs are often special ed teachers who just got assigned that particular duty, and have the attitude that being smart is its own reward. LITTLETON, Colo. Just 15 people attended the funeral of Columbine High School killer Dylan Klebold on Saturday two ministers, eleven mourners and two anguished parents wondering where they'd gone . Sure, that'll work! Dylan: "Hey mom. I think you did an excellent job with this blog post. German-American restaurant owner: "You vill not be a mass murderer!" She hyped it up as a must see and an insight to what really happened. What happened to them? For happy, easy-to-raise, and successful kids like him, it was easy to fly under their parents radar precisely because they were the shiny pennies, hiding the terrible pain they were in from their parents as capably as they did everything else (p. 65). The parents of Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, remained in seclusion Wednesday as a global media horde encamped at their houses after the murderous rampage Tuesday at Columbine High School. As I often do, Ill leave the author the last word on why understanding the process her son went through is important: Dylan was vulnerable in many ways unquestionably emotionally immature, depressed, possibly suffering from a more serious mood or personality disorder. I found this thred on accident and had to comment. crap. Most shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place. I certainly understand how they feel. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. Now everybody expects the schools to fix everything for them. I had to fight for their basic rights because allegedly educated teachers thought things like "retards are dangerous" and "retards should be kept away from the good kids". But perhaps he/she IS a charter member of the Reb&VoDKa fan club - and you're just going to IGNORE it? No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Isaiah's father said. The attack on Columbine is almost a prototypical school shooting, but one way in which it stands out is that it was committed by two people together. You're an idiot. Is that correct? one of their coworkers at blackjack (again, cannot remember the name; most of this is just top of my head knowledge but it was a girl) said that dylan was not close with his dad and even disliked him (something to that effect), also in the 11k. Adam killed 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary. His parents were Wayne and Katherine. I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. He didn't even say hi to Tom or ask how he was. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. Kids do know about their frineds. We just share a brotherhood of admiration and belief in R &V. We sympathize with each other. While in class we have made abundantly clear that most people with mental health issues are non-violent, Dylans depression and suicidality fits the school shooter pattern. Dylan Klebold, along with his friend Eric Harris, shot and killed 13 people and injured 23 others in April, 1999 in Columbine High School, before they turned their guns on . From her comment on her official website, she felt it was disrespectful to focus on the killers when today should be all about the victims. Hers was a love as dark and true, as embracing and self-abnegating, as Cordelia's. On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, seniors at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., placed . . 5 feet 6.5 inches tall, 135-140 pounds. "He got his satisfaction by dominating." This week, one of them, Sue Klebold mother of shooter Dylan Klebold - breaks the silence with ABC's Diane Sawyer. How are parents supposed to know everything that goes on in their children's minds? Even if they had friends doesn;t mean they were popular or well-liked generally. COLUMBINE, pisode 3 : l'impact sur la socit, 3. . Serious victim mentality with both of them. [quote]No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. Sociopaths who undergo training often use that training to fake being normal in order to better manipulate people. It would drive me insane to have my kids behave like that, but some people are utterly oblivious to the cacaphony and strife being caused by their children. My parents didn't know anything I did, didn't care,and were happy if I stayed invisible. The Columbine story was recently remade, with some editorial changes, as The Hottie and the Nottie starring Paris Hilton. Sue Klebold. The bombing was planned for April 19th, to coincide with the Oklahoma bombing, but for some reason, they were set back to the 20th. He was steady enough on his feet to run, but not to stop himself from losing balance and falling, which he did, forehead-first right into the metal bed frame. Tom was a geophysicist, Sue worked with handicapped people. Columbine killers' diaries offer chilling insight - NBC News Dylan, Cullen writes, was depressed. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. Dylan Klebold Biography, Age, Height, Wife, Net Worth, Family Unfortunately, we only have her word today as to what went on in the home. Wayne & Kathy Harris are the parents of infamous Columbine HS shooter, Eric Harris. It was weird. I am certain that Sue no longer lives there but she still does visit the house as two Columbiners took a Columbine/E &D tour" in Jan .or Feb and saw Sue outside the house as they drove by. Good thing I did because Dylan hasn't exactly risen to a level of responsibility in my absence. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. ". Jesus, what a loathsome pair of people. His parents raised their two boys as many others did, following that close-knit, suburban family model (p. 62). We are not there yet. Focus on the mental. Sue would later find out through his journals though that by sophomore year he was battling depression and suicidal thoughts. Any pix of the monster creators? He still was the boy his parents joked seemed to be on autopilot (p. 65), but Sue notes that this may have been particularly dangerous in his case. They cry innocence and ignorance, when I know they were anything BUT. Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . x93There is no comfort for parents here,x94 Cullen told me yesterday. [quote]Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas, but moved around frequently as a child due to his father's occupation in the United States Air Force, while Klebold was born and raised near Columbine. Thats Something that stands out about Dylan anyway, the Lack of Emotion regarding his parents. And even then we may never uncover the truth. These things outweighed their concerns about him. Eric says if either the clerk or his father had asked just one question, "we would have been fucked.". Sue Klebold. School officials, law enforcement, and the adult community learned a lot after Columbine and are doing a better job of detecting trouble. Plus the drug industry makes a profit. psycho school, nasty students, bullshit teachers, ignorant parents, hormones, bullying, rage. We are not violent.I would never do a shooting even though I work in an office with a bunch of former jocks and homecoming queens that haven't changed since they left school and are still as awful now as they were then. I seem to remember them being called "fag.". Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold | Programmed To Kill The pair . He went to his senior prom and based on his journal had a wonderful time, and was invested in his future to such an extent that he chose a college and made a trip out to Arizona to look at dorm rooms with his father. [quote]It is absolutely the parents vault. You teach them to recognize triggers that exacerbate symptoms. additionally, dylan was definitely naturally shy. Agreed that Klebold's parents seem like total cunts, delusional in their whiny victim mentality. One young doctor said, "I don't know if you can teach compassion, but you surely can teach the opposite! I am with R14 and 15. I can handle them "spending too much time on the killers", but unfortunately I recognize there are too many whackjobs in this country who would just see it as glorification. "I wonder if there was any homosex between those two.". When early word came that the Trench Coat Mafia may be involved in the shooting, Tom ran downstairs to look for Dylans trench coat, which he couldnt find, Lozow said. On Dylan's part, I think that in January 1999, he was depressed and preparing to die - distancing himself from those he loved, so that it would be easier for him to carry out the attack. This thread is going to hell in jig time if it turns into the all-too-familiar "they were running up and down the aisles and that caused Columbine!!!" They always have, and unless we can change it (which might be very "Pandora") they always will. I think that even I have sustained some slight rewiring from that, though not anywhere *near* to the extent of my brother's. And although there was never anything we could do to put him away, so to speak, before he hurt someone, my mother would *never* claim in an aftermath that she had no idea of his mental state or his comings and goings or that she didn't know what made him that way. Maybe that's what I find so scary about the whole thing, that there are people who walk around, every day, and are completely lacking in everything that I thinks makes us human. His parents knew this, though not the extent of it. That's the first thing. I don't think it's fair to either demonize or absolve them, but from studies of psychopathy, even the best parenting can't make that be turned off. Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylan's best friend. Susan Francis Klebold ( ne Yassenoff; born March 25, 1949) is an American author and activist. She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. The second of the Columbine killers, Dylan Klebold was a "born genius" who, despite a sensitive disposition, experienced explosions of rage (most often brought on by failure or humiliation,) suicidal tendencies, a disdain for the "zombie"-like human race, and a suggestibility upon which the psychopathic . My mom and I have always thought that my brother is one "snap" away from ending up hurting someone and/or in jail. A Mother's Reckoning by Sue Klebold, reviewed. - Slate Magazine In their first interview since the Columbine High School massacre, the parents of one of the killers said they feel no need be forgiven and didnt realize their son was beyond hope until after he was dead. 6. By David Brooks. If that;s the case, why did he have so many friends? Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold. She's spent years excavating every detail of her family life, trying to understand what she could have done to prevent her son's violence. Hey mom, gotta go Tom isnt even included in the insincere goodbye. Psychiatry has long attacked outsiders of all kinds, including gays, while not saying a word about society. They do not have a moral center that can be reached. Great job! Firstly, like everyone else he didn't pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his 'best friend.'. I wanted a contribution to help us understand why it happened, so that it would never happen again. When I was 16 my parents sure as hell would have known if I had firearms in my possession or were building pipe bombs anywhere near our home. Although in their rantings, they seemed to have special hatred for fags, and various other epithets for minorities that I don't even like to write, let alone speak. Betty Shoels, Isaiah's aunt, said that "her 18-year-old nephew was a fun-loving athlete who was always smiling, despite feeling out of place as one of the school's few African-American students." . The narrator seemed to revel in the graphic violence he was depicting, but it was the final passage that was particularly disturbing, where Dylan conveyed unabashed awe and . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I think he suffered horribly before he died, Susan Klebold said. Based on what I've read so far, he's working off the assumption that Klebold was a depressive with self-destructive tendencies (he mentions suicide over and over in the journal kept for two years prior to the incident), and that Harris was a full-blown psychopath. Eric David Harris - a Columbine site Washingtonpost.com: Shooters' Parents Mourn Amid Questions A Further Examination: Sue Klebold's case study of her son, Dylan His father claimed his body but the burial site is unknown. In my opinion, what went on in their home led to Columbine.. You're far too stupid to ever see that though. Some folks do indeed work from very primitive brain impulses. He's wearing a plaid shirt, either dark blue or black with white; the shirt's untucked. I think those that readily (and outrightly) blame the parents are inclined to do so as to perpetuate some aspect of control, otherwise the shear nature of the case becomes too frightening. I cannot have my uzzer patrons being upset. The prom was the standard affair. There is every likelihood that not a single teacher at Columbine cared enough to pay attention or, even if they did, knew enough to know what danger signs to look for. "Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit". In any case, teenagers can be quite unfair to their parents. Dylan Klebold Wiki, Biography, Age, Wife, Family, Net Worth Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are once more in the family room of the Harris home. Shocking crime scene photos explode the myths and reveal shocking details! But they sure jumped at the chance to be on Oprah! The goal seems to have been parental appeasement. They weren't bullied, and they weren't outcasts; all of that came from the non-stop media echo chamber that followed the events. February 12, 2016 11:56am. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Harris's father erroneously stated that his son was "a member of what they call the Trenchcoat Mafia" in a 9-1-1 call he made on April 20, 1999. Yes, it's really terrible when there is the free-flow of information and ideas, isn't it? Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . A 'Gentle Boy,' His Parents Told Investigators, Klebold Was Enrolled in an Elementary School Program for High Intellectual Potential Students. 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. She behaves as if it is normal, as if she doesn't even hear it. Join date : 2014-02-11.
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